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Deferred not rejected; higher admission standards encourage student preparedness

Published: Thursday, September 9, 2010

Updated: Thursday, September 9, 2010 07:09

While it is painful to deny or defer enrollment of students applying to UT, it is a consequence of the move that the university is making toward becoming a “destination environment” rather than an open-enrollment institution. Raising admissions standards, as three UT colleges have done this year, improves the university’s prestige and increases the value of a UT degree.

The 300 students deferred admission this semester may feel some resentment, but if they do as suggested, attending a community college for a semester to prepare themselves for the academic challenges of a university, they may well be seen walking among us on campus in the spring. Some say that these students, who are just below admission standards, should be admitted now to increase UT’s enrollment numbers and secure more subsidy funds this semester.

As Vice President for External Affairs Larry Burns pointed out, a semester of preparation will make these students more capable of succeeding at UT, improve the quality of the student body and serve the university better in the long run. It is advantageous for all that a student enroll a semester later and attend UT for three or four years, rather than enroll prematurely, fall behind, and fail to achieve his or her goals.

An increase of admission standards is a constructive action for the university to take at this time. A student body that produces a greater number of successful graduates grows in repute, making all UT graduates more valued in the marketplace. It is a process that will likely snowball; as standards rise and UT students become more successful as a whole, degree-seekers will be more likely to view UT as their first-choice school, rather than a fallback plan.

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21 comments

Rx Student
Sat Sep 11 2010 20:33
If you check out the IC's facebook site they've put videos up. Anyone wanna guess what they're about? Who guessed Arts & Sciences!?!?! It's a meeting with about 6 students talking about how the new org plan is bad.

Again, I've got no trouble with them covering A & S. My problem is that they cover next to nothing else. Why no videos about Student Senate? That's the body that represents the entire student body. The reason is because the Collegian doesn't cover the entire student body. They cover their own college and take the views of their own professors and ignore the fact that 75 percent of the university is other colleges.

Anonymous
Sat Sep 11 2010 17:55
"They're on the A & S blog. A & S faculty are too cowardly to do it publicly "

Have you ever even attended a meeting of the A&S Council where plenty of public comments have been made by faculty on all the issues discussed in this forum and on the A&S blog?

Derek Espinoza
Sat Sep 11 2010 14:28
They're on the A & S blog. A & S faculty are too cowardly to do it publicly
Anonymous
Fri Sep 10 2010 15:55
"Yeah, from the natural sciences, which the most vocal A & S faculty routinely attack for being too business focused or not part of the humanities."

I can not recall any public comments from A&S faculty who routinely attack the natural sciences for being too business focuses or not part of the humanities. In fact I know, and have heard public comments, from the sciences in support of the humanities and likewise from the humanities to the sciences. There are also several very productive external research programs in A&S departments outside the sciences, some of these programs are in fact more productive than those from other colleges.
There are concerns from the arts and humanities that the University, and State of Ohio, are placing too much emphasis and support for STEM programs, when in fact the demand and job growth in many of those fields may not be warranted. In fact several recent studies have shown that future job growth in the coming decades includes many non STEM fields such as accounting, business management, education, and law.

Gee, if only there were some sort of independent newspaper that could look at the colleges of law, education and business... which was my whole point from the very beginning of this comment thread!!! The IC only covers the bitching that goes on in A & S and I think many would be shocked to know UT even had other colleges.

Anonymous
Fri Sep 10 2010 14:16
"Largest amount of external research"

Yeah, from the natural sciences, which the most vocal A & S faculty routinely attack for being too business focused or not part of the humanities.

Gee, if only there were some sort of independent newspaper that could look at the colleges of law, education and business... which was my whole point from the very beginning of this comment thread!!! The IC only covers the bitching that goes on in A & S and I think many would be shocked to know UT even had other colleges.

Anonymous
Fri Sep 10 2010 13:35
"Also, faculty in other colleges are busy teaching and doing research and don't have all the free time A & S faculty seem to have to hold 2-hour meetings every time someone's feelings are hurt and they need a verbal anger-hug. "

BTW among all UT colleges, the A&S College generates the largest amount of external research funding, teaching FTE income, offers the most courses, teaches to the largest number of students, has the largest number of degree granting programs, and is home to the largest number of distinguished faculty. And many of these faculty have, or are currently, serve on A&S Council.

If you are concerned about how faculty spend their time, how productive they are, and what their work begins to the University and their students, I would suggest you start looking at the Colleges of Law, Education, and Business just to mention a few.

Anonymous
Fri Sep 10 2010 13:27
I would suggest that the actions of a few members of A&S Council is not a fair and representative characterization of the entire body of faculty on council, in the A&S College at and UT. The views of those few are not shared by the majority. I assume you are a member of some form of group, such as family, social, work, church, or in leisure. Would you like to be characterized by the actions of other members?

A&S Council has existed for a few decades and current members include many hard working, dedicated and passionate senior faculty members with years of valued experience at UT, none of whom deserve to be dismissed due to the actions of a few of their colleagues.

And many of these faculty have taken direct public stances against the views of others in the College, including their faculty colleagues who they disagree with.

As to its role and importance, a read of the recently published 100 year history of the A&S College shows how many times A&S Council and faculty have stood up to protect the rights of students, the curriculum, departments, programs, and the existence of the College, including many of the current members in recent years. You may not agree with all of them, or be dismissive of the voices and issues raised by some of them, but if you care about the College and this University I would not be so quick as to degrade them.

They meet 8 times each term for 90 minutes, so I doubt this is much of a drain on their teaching and research, especially considering that among their membership are several university and college wide recognized distinguished teachers and scholars.

Anonymous
Fri Sep 10 2010 09:01
Are you suggesting the Arts and Sciences Council represents their colleagues well? The group is a joke to everyone outside the college and to many inside it. It is a group very important to those who sit on it and pretty unimportant to others. This is a group (that was led by a communication professor at the time) that started a communication method that allowed and encouraged as a monument to free speech racist and sexist comments on their blog which the rest of Arts and Sciences Council then had to denounce (which is ironic as many blog posters still sit on the A & S Council leadership board).

It strikes me that the other colleges are run and populated by adults and therefore the Collegian writers connect better with the high school antics of Arts and Sciences faculty. Also, faculty in other colleges are busy teaching and doing research and don't have all the free time A & S faculty seem to have to hold 2-hour meetings every time someone's feelings are hurt and they need a verbal anger-hug.

Anonymous
Fri Sep 10 2010 08:49
Perhaps if the other colleges had organized faculty groups like A&S Council, and student groups, like the newly formed A&S College Student Council, the IC would have other meetings to attend and report back events and also form opinion pieces about? Perhaps the other Colleges if they have concerns need to get better organized and represent their faculty and students?
Anonymous #2
Thu Sep 9 2010 14:32
"So, explain to me why all these examples don't count.

Again, I am uncertain about how news stories can be characterized as "parroting," but my interest is not ultimately in dismissing these cited examples - I just wanted some semblance of argumentation. You have delivered, and I thank you for that. I ask that you and everyone else continues to do so in the future, here on the IC site and elsewhere. We shouldn't have to be prodded by others to do so...

"Seems like someone as unlazy as yourself might have been able to do this as easily as I could."

The complaint that the IC coverage is biased or otherwise flawed was not mine, and therefore was not mine to defend. You suggested it, and I asked for a respectable amount of evidence, which you delivered (although ultimately a full argument would have contextualized the cited entries and explained how they demonstrate bias). But again, your effort as reflected in the list has been much more than most (i.e. Nemeth) have been willing or interested in doing, so kudos.

Anonymous
Thu Sep 9 2010 13:39
I did a simple search of the Collegian's Web site and found these below over the course of the last 12 months. This is by no means an exhaustive list. Two more examples: faculty get mad over tenure changes and the IC writes an editorial against tenure changes, and A & S faculty call for a dean search and the IC writes an editorial (in the same issue) calling for a dean search.

I'm not saying they're necessarily wrong because as often as not, collective faculty opinion, to the degree it can exist, is on the money. But scroll down to Sept. 10 and the headlines alone show examples of parroting faculty views. So, explain to me why all these examples don't count. Seems like someone as unlazy as yourself might have been able to do this as easily as I could.

You can't post links in this comment section so I'll have to just do dates and titles:

Aug. 23: Students form college council, Arts and Science students start representative group for students

Aug. 23: Summer plans to restructure CAS do not sit well with returning students

Aug. 2: Keeping you up-to-date: A&S council meeting

July 12: Editorial: If it isn’t broken...

July 12: Reorganization plans could split CAS into three colleges

April 29: Editorial: Had to ‘Haggett’ her way

April 8: Arts and Sciences to raise admission standards in 2011

April 8: Editorial: Promoting UT’s prestige

Jan. 14: A&S forum should undergo name-change; Free speech should be respected

Jan 14: CAS forum debate continues in ASC

Dec. 10: A&S faculty should be discussing underfunding, not racism

Dec. 10: CAS forum sparks debate between faculty and students

Nov. 5: Jacobs to interview all tenure applicants, Arts and Sciences Council reacts to Jacobs’ plan to personally interview professors up for tenure

Nov. 9: Editorial: Don’t make it personal

Nov. 9: Jacobs defends tenure interview policy

Sept. 10: Faculty push for national dean search

Sept. 10: Editorial: UT should begin national search for permanent CAS dean

Anonymous #2
Thu Sep 9 2010 11:44
"What, do you want a term paper on it? "

How about a column in this newspaper?

You apparently have a warped sense of proof (which really isn't even a standard we should be talking about - ever heard of the problem of induction?). Pointing to one incident corroborating your claim is a *weak* demonstration of a pattern - indeed, the weakest. Look, if the IC is publishing a story and column "every single issue" in support of the ASC, you should have no problem coming up wih at least ten. But hey, even five would demonstrate some considerable measure of legitimacy to your claim.

Until you take seriously this process, you are no better than Nemeth and these "angry faculty" you refer to.

Anonymous
Thu Sep 9 2010 11:29
What, do you want a term paper on it?

You ask for proof, I get it from the issue immediately prior to this one and somehow that doesn't count?

You're clearly determined not to be convinced. Tell me how many examples you need. What's the number? You accuse others of being lazy yet you've clearly been mentally lazy if you're oblivious to this reality. Is the admin always or even usually right? No. But many of the detractors are just as wrong and uninformed. This newspaper lives in a back in white world where angry faculty are always right and the admin is only right when the faculty aren't angry.

I'd suggest you learn to read and think critically, # 2, if you don't want to live your life oblivious to the media bias you're surrounded with all the time.

Anonymous #2
Thu Sep 9 2010 11:19
One example, huh? I guess that's a start... I suspect there's something in the Toledo water supply that makes most people really lazy - just a theory I have going.
Anonymous
Thu Sep 9 2010 11:16
Aug. 28: Arts and Sciences Council Blog complains about a new fee

Sept 2: IC writes front page article about it.

Sept 2: IC writes editorial echoing same conspiracy theory of Arts and Sciences Council blog original post

Anonymous #2
Thu Sep 9 2010 11:12
Consistent coverage is not "parroting" of a perspective. You might say that the coverage is incomplete (doesn't challenge certain assertions thoroughly) or whatever, but that obviously isn't an endorsement of a view per se. The editorials are a different matter, but to be persuasive about that you would have to (gasp!) cite specifics! You know, argument...not bald assertion.
Anonymous
Thu Sep 9 2010 10:56
Really? Every time A & S Council is upset about anything it is front page on the IC followed by an editorial in support of the cause. Name another college, group or issue that merits an IC story every single issue.
Anonymous #2
Thu Sep 9 2010 10:39
Parrots? How so? In just this issue, the IC correctly reported on enrollment numbers and wrote the above editorial about how it is a sound administrative policy. Are we looking at the same publication?
Anonymous
Thu Sep 9 2010 10:31
I am able to tell the difference. However, readers could be forgiven for being confused when the IC parrots A & S Council members so fully and completely.
Anonymous
Thu Sep 9 2010 09:49
Prior poster:

It is vital that readers separate out columnist contributions from each other and from the editorials. They are distinct pieces - although not distinct enough for my tastes as it relates to Nemeth. His columns are tripe with no redeeming intellectual heft. The Forum editor should REALLY reconsider accepting anymore columns from him that contain nothing more than silly (and sometimes offensive) anecedotes and bald assertion with no argument. This section should not be wasting its readers' time with it, and I imagine can find someone much better suited to offer meaningful commentary on the state of the College of Arts and Sciences.

So Ethan, if you're reading this...







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